When did the STS get so cheap?

"JR1" (type35bugatti) 08/12/2015 at 17:27 • Filed to: Cadillac STS

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Did you know right now you can go onto craigslist and pick up a 320hp luxury sedan for 8k? And have the reliabilty of an American made automobile? Yeah me neither. But 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and a top speed of 154mph plus all the luxury amenities sure seem like an attractive offer. What say you Oppo NP or CP for this Titan of luxury?

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wiffleballtony > JR1 08/12/2015 at 17:30

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NP if you’re into big cars.

duurtlang > JR1 08/12/2015 at 17:33

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My father in law has a 2006 Dodge Magnum RT (in Germany). I’ve driven it and I can totally understand why boats like that depreciate, and if I understand it correctly the STS is even more boat-like. I wouldn’t even spend $8k on a car like that with this age/mileage.

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > JR1 08/12/2015 at 17:34

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Despite the mileage I say NP.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JR1 08/12/2015 at 17:38

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Price isn’t bad,but you'd never catch me in one.

dogisbadob > JR1 08/12/2015 at 17:43

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Since the first one was driven off the lot.

Nymphicus Hollandicus > JR1 08/12/2015 at 17:44

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It’s better than its predecessor for sure. But I don’t know too much about these. I’ve always liked its styling.

MultiplaOrgasms > JR1 08/12/2015 at 17:51

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Oh yeah that legendary Northstar reliability.

DuckDraper > JR1 08/12/2015 at 17:55

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The only STS I’d ever consider buying is the STS-V but I’m pretty sure they’re pretty hard to come by.

That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > JR1 08/12/2015 at 18:04

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If it was the V6 for a little less cash, I’d say NP...but it’s a Northstar. They eat head gaskets and crap warped heads due to overheating.

pjhusa > JR1 08/12/2015 at 18:23

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“American reliability”

Still beats Britain any day

JR1 > MultiplaOrgasms 08/12/2015 at 19:34

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If I am correct it was more or less fixed by the time the STS came into production

JR1 > dogisbadob 08/12/2015 at 19:34

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I have seen them with 80k for the same price or less

JR1 > That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms 08/12/2015 at 19:35

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Even the 05 plus? I heard they were better. And wouldn’t the V6 just be a little too slow?

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 08/12/2015 at 19:35

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Why not? Same suspension as a CTS, as luxurious a car as you ever need, and 320hp V8

JR1 > Nymphicus Hollandicus 08/12/2015 at 19:36

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They seemed to be liked in the reviews

JR1 > DuckDraper 08/12/2015 at 19:36

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Not much harder. They go for about 15k and up

JR1 > pjhusa 08/12/2015 at 19:36

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And German repair costs

JR1 > Van Man, rocks the Man Van 08/12/2015 at 19:37

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You kind find them with 80k for the same price if you are willing to dig

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JR1 08/12/2015 at 19:43

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And styling that I’m meh on, and an interior made by Little Tikes, and lacking some of the refinements of its European rivals.

Post-bailout Cadillac=I can do.

Pre-bailout Cadillac=I’ll pass.

MultiplaOrgasms > JR1 08/12/2015 at 20:01

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Tell that to the internet warriors proclaiming the N* the worst GM engine ever based on how awful early ones were.

CaptDale - is secretly British > JR1 08/12/2015 at 20:07

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Just in time for a midblock reseal

DuckDraper > JR1 08/12/2015 at 20:54

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Not too bad but for around that price you can get an E39 M5.

JR1 > MultiplaOrgasms 08/12/2015 at 21:23

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The Internet worries are often poorly informed. Nothing a forum can't fix

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 08/12/2015 at 21:25

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To each their own. I find this styling pretty attractive. I will give you the interior isn't quite as nice but it has ever option you could ever want in a car and is probably nicer than anything I have ever been in.

JR1 > DuckDraper 08/12/2015 at 21:26

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Never cared for the E39 looks

JR1 > CaptDale - is secretly British 08/12/2015 at 21:27

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I didn't think the later Northstars suffered from these gremlins

That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > JR1 08/12/2015 at 21:40

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Apparently around 2000 there was a change made to the angle of the head bolts or something. So yeah, a 2005 would be better than what I had (1998 DeVille Concours...neat car). And I guess the 3.6 still makes 250hp or so, same as my P71 Crown Vic...which means that yes, it's too slow, haha.

JR1 > That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms 08/12/2015 at 21:42

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The real question is will the Crown Vic do a burnout?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JR1 08/12/2015 at 22:41

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Define “every option”.

(I’m a snob)

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 08/12/2015 at 22:53

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Colored heads up display

Heated/cooled seats

Heated steering wheel

Radar guided cruise

Blind spot detection

Gps

Bluetooth

Magnetic ride

Dual zone climate

Auto dimming highlights

Voice command (probably does not work)

And probably some more.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JR1 08/12/2015 at 23:40

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I’m actually impressed by the radar cruise and blind spot detection.

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 08/12/2015 at 23:48

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Cadillac is just as good as all the others it just needs a tad better fit and finish

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JR1 08/13/2015 at 00:30

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It is now. But in 2005 I’d still take a 550i over that.

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 08/13/2015 at 00:32

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I prefer the styling of this. However I will not argue the BMW is a better car

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > JR1 08/13/2015 at 01:39

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I’ve seen my fair share of newer northstars puking every fluid from every orifice and instrument clusters pretending they’re signs on the Vegas strip. Anymore if they get traded in, even relatively clean low mileage one owner examples will go straight to auction because they need so much work.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms 08/13/2015 at 01:41

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The problem want really the angle of the bolts. It was the fact that the threads would pull out of the block. Yeah, changing the angle helped a bunch, but the root problem is still there.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > JR1 08/13/2015 at 02:04

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CP. I might consider giving them half or a little less. 99/1 weight distribution, handles like a drunk pig, very high maintenance engine (full disclosure, I used to be infatuated with that engine until I experienced then firsthand and owned one, never again) plastic fantastic interior that falls apart almost as fast as E36 interiors.

I’ve seen 2000-2005 V220 S55’s, C215 CL55’s and W210 E55’s in that price range. RWD and 350-500hp for under $10k? Awesome! Don’t trust their reliability? Well that E55 shouldn’t have any trouble hitting 4-500k miles without any big ticket failures provided you change its fluids periodically and throw in a crank sensor or two (things the Cadillac would likely need also, and still never hit that mileage!).

Mine was almost ten years old when I got rid of it. In the year I had it I had to put an obscene amount of money into it and it still lost 75% of its value in a single year.

MultiplaOrgasms > JR1 08/13/2015 at 04:05

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You must be new to the internet.

for Michigan > JR1 08/13/2015 at 06:02

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I keep trying to talk my dad into one of these now that my parents are past the “need space to haul kids around” stage and the old Grand Caravan is dying. Won’t even consider it. Instead, he seems really set on an MKZ or convertible Mustang.

Bet if I got my mom to test drive one she’d convince him, though. Hoping that I can manage to coax them into a test drive because I think this car is perfect for them.

JR1 > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 08/13/2015 at 07:40

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Really? That's is very annoying.

JR1 > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 08/13/2015 at 07:43

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See I would kill to own a CL but the reliability of that ABC worries me.

As for the E55 I was unaware they were so cheap and reliable. I figured maintenance would be higher than the Cadillac.

What year did you own?

JR1 > for Michigan 08/13/2015 at 07:46

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I have heard they are pretty well balanced car too and can put a smile on your face on a back road.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > JR1 08/13/2015 at 09:43

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Understandable, ABC is rather daunting.

01. New enough to have had the updated head bolt/block design. Still ended up putting every gasket and seal on it, crank sensors, both coils, flywheel (it broke!), engine mounts, multiple hubs, steering angle sensor, three sets of wheels and tires trying to chase a vibration, control arms, tie rods, multiple carbon clean services, two water pumps, seat heaters didn’t work and the transmission occasionally had an issue with the torque converter clutch. All that was maybe at 125k.

I currently DD an E430 with over 180k. I’ve put control arm bushings, ball joints, fluids in it. And the valve covers seep a little bit. And it was neglected by the previous owner. It needs a passenger seat weight sensor. Parts to fix everything on this car will cost me half of what just the engine reseal parts cost me on the Cadillac.

Once I take care of the sensor I plan on selling this thing and hopefully either getting an E55 or something old and fun.

CaptDale - is secretly British > JR1 08/13/2015 at 11:10

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I am pretty sure they all suffer from that.

Your boy, BJR > MultiplaOrgasms 08/13/2015 at 14:20

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Northstars fucking rock, and the 2003 and ups were downright reliable.

MultiplaOrgasms > Your boy, BJR 08/13/2015 at 14:28

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Perhaps.

Your boy, BJR > JR1 08/13/2015 at 14:33

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Interiors on these aren’t bad at all. First true luxury car I ever rode in was a brand new 2005 STS. I was 13 or 14 at the time, my parents had just got divorced a month earlier and my mom started dating a Cadillac salesman by the name of Chris. I met him for the first time at my grandparents house. He, being filled in about my love of cars by my mom, offered to drive me home in his Cadillac. My moms car being a stick shift ‘87 Toyota 1-Ton Truck and my dad having a clapped out ‘93 T-Bird, I of course said yes. To this day I remember the smell of the leather, little speakers in the seats on either side of the headrest, and chrome “STS” plaque inlaid in the real wood dash trim. I thought to myself “Oh yes. Now THIS is a car.” All the sadness over my parents split momentarily went away and for the first time that summer, things looked up.

10 years later, they’re married, he’s running his own Cadillac dealership, and every single car in our driveway has a little wreath and crest on the keys.

Your boy, BJR > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 08/13/2015 at 14:33

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Oh you shut your whore mouth about the interior on these. It is equal to if not better than contemporary Germans.

Your boy, BJR > JR1 08/13/2015 at 14:35

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I think they had tri zone climate control.

(Backseat too)

Your boy, BJR > MultiplaOrgasms 08/13/2015 at 14:37

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Well I've put 10k miles on my 2004 Northstar since February and literally have not had a single problem with the engine.

MultiplaOrgasms > Your boy, BJR 08/13/2015 at 15:08

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Impressive

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Your boy, BJR 08/13/2015 at 16:19

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Perhaps if it’s the first time you’ve ever been in a luxury car. Personally, I’m willing to bet that the inside is as plastic as the average Jersey housewife’s boobs. At some point, I may drag myself down to my nearest buy-here-pay-here lot and find out for sure.

JR1 > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 08/13/2015 at 17:05

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I haven head of a magnetic filter that supposedly helps with the ABC issue but I have not looked into it.

01 you say? I haven’t heard of those problems with the 05 plus but then again I have not looked into it a lot. But damn that is a lot of stuff.

And that sounds like resonably maintence for a used car with your E430. Hope you can sell it and get an E55 though that would be fun.

JR1 > Your boy, BJR 08/13/2015 at 17:14

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I didn’t know that’s how you got into enjoying cars. That is cool man. Like that’s a damn cool story.

Did your step dad like the STS? Or does he not remember that car fondly?

JR1 > wiffleballtony 08/13/2015 at 17:17

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Oh I am

Your boy, BJR > JR1 08/13/2015 at 17:18

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Oh no, I’ve been fond of all things automotive since birth, even loved Cadillac since before the STS, but that was what really really really got me into lusting after Cadillacs.

...and the STS is his 2nd favorite Cadillac of all time, he wishes they never discontinued the line.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > JR1 08/13/2015 at 23:17

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Not sure how they would quantify how helpful it is or isn’t. You would have to know exactly when something would fail. Sounds like a load of manure to me. If I had one I would just change the fluid and filter periodically, maybe every 2-3 years.

I did a ton of research on northstars when I owned it. It was my intention to junk the car and drop the engine into a classic Cadillac. But through that experience I’ve decided that engine isn’t worth the trouble.